Shutdown?

[Mrglasstone]

Does anyone know how you can initiate shutdown of the Mackie d8b directly from the desk itself without having to use the keyboard / mouse? - There must be some buttons you press on the desk to start shutdown without having to use the keyboard / mouse.

[garrett21allen]

the only way I know to shut down the d8b with out
the mouse is to hit the switch on the CPU I have never
known another way if there is

joe allen

[JoeJoe]

That just seems so barbaric

[garrett21allen]

Well do you know another way. Lol.

[Y-my-R]

I read somewhere before, that the shutdown option in software basically does nothing. You might as well just power off with the switch.

In my opinion, the "shutdown" thing is just something Windows introduced, because it's memory management was dumb from the beginning. Old Apple Macintosh Computers running Mac OS 9 (or older), or old Atari computers etc. never had to be shut down. You could just hit the power switch any time you wanted (well... maybe you shouldn't while it's really busy reading/writing from/to the harddrive).

I think that the D8B OS is following a similar philosophy. I think the shutdown option in the GUI is just there to make Windows users feel good

When I have the monitor on, I do also shut down from the GUI, though, I have to admit. I guess MacOS X turned me into a paranoid "Windows" user, hahaha

I never had any problems after shutting down my D8Bs "hard" with the power switch, though.

[Old School]

Hi all,
I personally have had a hard drive fail because of "stiction". This can occur when the little arm that reads and writes the data is not properly parked due to a hard shutdown, the arm can atually become stuck to the disk. I copied the following from the internet.
During normal running,
– a computer hard disk is rotating thousands of times a minute
– the little arm that reads and writes data to the hard disk is moving backwards and forwards all the time
– Windows has many files open for reading and writing
– Windows may be reading and writing to the system registry

During a normal shutdown, (amongst doing many other things)
– Windows closes any files it was reading or writing
– Windows closes any access it has to the system registry
– the little hard disk arm is parked carefully at one side of the disk
Any files that Windows was writing to may now have incomplete or corrupt data, because you didn’t allow it to finish writing properly.

If Windows was writing to the registry, the system registry may now have incomplete or corrupt data because you didn’t allow it to finish writing.

The hard disk arm, not being allowed to park by the side of the disk, may scratch or damage the spinning disk, causing data to become corrupt.

[vincenzo]

the shutdown procedure sound sort of large format digital console.

Shutdown computer then hardware shutdown

my experience on Neve DFC and Calred.

It is a good practice to shutdown gear one by one

[Y-my-R]

By all means - it's of course always safer to use the shutdown option that is offered (even though it's questionable if it actually does anything in the Mackie OS).

Having said that, though, Mackie OS is not Windows.

I'm not aware of a registry file in the Mackie OS that could get corrupted. From my understanding of how the D8B and its OS work, there's nothing written or read from the harddrive during regular work - only when manually saving or loading a project. Everything else happens in RAM. So, as long as you don't hit the power button right after trying to save, or trying to load a project, the Harddisk should be idle (I have no facts to back this up, other than thinking about what the Mackie OS needs to write to a disk, vs. all the stuff that Windows constantly reads and writes (e.g. constant memory swap-file handling, that Windows was always bad at).

Harddrives are generally designed, to lift that "arm" off of the disks with the last remaining power, if power gets interrupted. That should prevent head-crashes in most cases - but of course something like that "can" still happen.

Long story short - I'm not trying to convince anyone to forgo the shutdown command in the GUI. As I said, if I have the monitor on, I use it, too. However, I do truly believe that shutting the CPU down with the power button on the D8B, is about 1000 times more safe than doing the same thing on a Windows computer (again, because of the "dumb" memory handling in Windows, and as Old School pointed out, the potential to corrupt the Windows registry, that doesn't exist in Mackie OS, from all I understand). The Mackie OS is just a much simpler and leaner OS, than all the stuff Windows has going on all the time, for compatibility and to be able to run a wide variety of apps and services, etc.